there's something that i have seen in other ecosystems (mainly ethereum and its children chains), but not on avalanche defi apps incentivize USERS to use the app, but not BUILDERS to build new primitives on top like, yield yak is the only practical example that i think of, of an app that leverages other apps to exist i remember in 2021 vector was an optimizer for platypus and trader joe, and that was exactly the top of avalanche defi we're missing composable apps if you compose, you create new primitives for example, if yieldbasis were to port over to avalanche, or if someone makes a friendly fork, then LPs for bluechip pairs could **potentially** also be used as collateral in money markets salvor is a good application of composable apps, but since its core value is tied to NFTs, and NFTs are not cool anymore, then there's not much they can do blackhole and pharaoh, though very good avenues for liquidity, are essentially re-using solidly primitives and then you can argue "yes, but look at solidly fork aerodrome on base, that is very big and has huge volume and traction" yes, but also look at velodrome, the exact copy but for other chains on the Superchain - it doesn't have 10% of the traction that aerodrome has aerodrome is what it is because base is working on local distribution avalanche is made different - c-chain is supposed to be the liquidity hub for all L1s it is that for some L1s, but not for all - and the network effect will compound over 2-3 years at least, not less in the meantime, c-chain needs to sustain itself, and you can only do that if you build new primitives - either completely new (very hard) or by composing existing ones